tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11393723.post1241360707682405975..comments2023-12-08T04:43:40.135-06:00Comments on The Fire and the Rose: Tabletgate: a crisis for Christian faith?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11393723.post-69020543365677728132008-07-07T11:10:00.000-05:002008-07-07T11:10:00.000-05:00Gah! No Karla - you don't understand. You're ass...Gah! No Karla - you don't understand. You're assuming your own conclusions. You response is conditional on the existence of "the living God" as you understand him.<BR/><BR/>The point is, archaeological evidence may provide additional insights suggesting that what you mistook to be an actual relationship was in fact a cerebral relationship. Now, one tablet alone probably won't do that. But our mind and our hearts are not divorced from each other. Our relationship with "the living God" is grounded in "truths" about that God that are 100% cerebral - passed down from one cerebrum to the next throughout history. And if new facts challenge old facts, of course relationships will be reevaluated! You can't separate the mind from the heart or the soul!<BR/><BR/>Lets say one day you found out your parents weren't really your parents - but that they had kidnapped you when you were a baby and murdered your real parents. If some random person on the street told you this it probably wouldn't change your relationship right away... but if evidence built up supporting that interpretation of the facts, it absolutely would change your relationship! This is the same sort of thing. If you think archaeological evidence can't change our spirituality, you're just being silly. Our whole faith is based on what people wrote down thousands of years ago - its certainly plausible that what someone else wrote down thousands of years ago could change that faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11393723.post-89602206951474813132008-07-07T10:48:00.000-05:002008-07-07T10:48:00.000-05:00If a new archaeological discovery is going to shak...If a new archaeological discovery is going to shake a person's faith in Christ, I would have to question whether their faith was cerebral or actual relationship with the living God. When you have a tangible relationship with Jesus, nothing should be able to shake that.Karlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15737176726360623655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11393723.post-43570488062348904422008-07-07T09:31:00.000-05:002008-07-07T09:31:00.000-05:00And in Norse mythology, Odin was hung on a tree fo...And in Norse mythology, Odin was hung on a tree for nine days to obtain the wisdom that would save mankind, after which point he was raised back to life. His side was pierced with a spear while he was hung on the tree.<BR/><BR/>I don't think the right question to ask is "did Christ's crucifixion follow a premodern motif of death and ressurection" - the question to ask is "if Christ's crucifixion is based on a premodern motif [and that is a big and open if], what kind of salvific power can we really attribute to it? Are we misattributing doctrine to widespread premodern mythologies?" That may sound heretical to modern ears, but its not nearly as heretical as modern Christianity if the whole plan of salvation is based on a widely circulated premodern myth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11393723.post-44495989890377367822008-07-06T21:20:00.000-05:002008-07-06T21:20:00.000-05:00Good article, D. W.. This only reaffirms Christian...Good article, D. W.. This only reaffirms Christianity, because in the Judean asian context that the life of Jesus took place, the oral tradition had prominence.Natanael Dislahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02398071558454738803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11393723.post-56020015976474154392008-07-06T10:47:00.000-05:002008-07-06T10:47:00.000-05:00Thanks, Evan! Great comment. I thought about men...Thanks, Evan! Great comment. I thought about mentioning the ancient myths about gods who died and rose again. C.S. Lewis talks about how the Jesus story is, in this sense, a myth -- but it's the myth that is also true. In the Christ event, the hopes and myths of all cultures are realized.David W. Congdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03009330707703611224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11393723.post-15801382736116666472008-07-06T08:37:00.000-05:002008-07-06T08:37:00.000-05:00Matthew 12:38-40: "Then some of the scribes and Ph...Matthew 12:38-40: "Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him, saying, "Teacher, we wish to see a sign from you." But he answered them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."<BR/><BR/>Seems straightforward enough to me- why stop where Knohl does to point out precursors to the death, three days, resurrection motif? The way was prepared for the Messiah long before Roman occupation. What of it? Great comments, and thanks for alerting me to this article!Evanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259004160963531720noreply@blogger.com