Universalism in the Blogosphere
The theo-blogosphere is exploding with posts on universalism. In this post, I want to index these debates, and if people hear about other online conversations, please let me know and I will add them to this list. The posts are ordered chronologically, with the oldest first and the most recent last. Blogs are arranged alphabetically. The fact that I post these links on my site does not mean that I endorse any or all of the views expressed by the various individuals, particularly with regard to the online resources. I offer them in the hope that the dialogue will be furthered and our faith may be enriched.
Originally Posted July 21, 2006
Last Updated January 23, 2007
Christ in all the Scriptures/The Theology of G C Berkouwer:
Originally Posted July 21, 2006
Last Updated January 23, 2007
Christ in all the Scriptures/The Theology of G C Berkouwer:
- John Hick’s Religious World (Dec. 18, 2006)
- A Critique of J D Bettis, “Is Karl Barth a Universalist?” (June 9, 2007)
- Two more footnotes to “Berkouwer and Barth” (June 19, 2007)
- The logic of Talbott's universalism (Dec. 13, 2005)
- Christian Universalism Pt. 1 (Feb. 3, 2006)
- Christian Universalism Pt. 2 (Feb. 3, 2006)
- Christian Universalism Pt. 3 (Feb. 4, 2006)
- The Evangelical Universalist (Aug. 4, 2006)
- Universalism - a brief note on my position (Aug. 5, 2006)
- Guest Post - part 1 of 2 (Aug. 14, 2006)
- Guest Post - part 2 of 2 (Aug. 15, 2006)
- Debating Christian universalism (June 27, 2007)
- Useful Resources on Universalism for the Exegete (June 29, 2007)
- Redemptive judgment in hell? Pt 1 (July 2, 2007)
- Redemptive judgment in hell? Pt 2 (July 4, 2007)
- The power of a question (July 5, 2007)
- God is Love (July 10, 2007)
- Debate with a Universalist (July 13, 2007)
- Guest post: Gregory MacDonald (July 16, 2007)
- Gregory MacDonald responds to a question (July 17, 2007)
- Redemptive judgment in hell? Pt 3 (July 29, 2007)
- Gregory MacDonald responds to my previous post (July 30, 2007)
- Hell behind us (Sept. 29, 2007)
- The future of Christian Universalism debates (Jan. 16, 2008)
- “What happens after death?” (July 10, 2006)
- Death, judgement & hell: a little light reading (July 13, 2006)
- Universalism? (July 12, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist, Part 1: Talbott’s Propositions (Oct. 17, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist, Part 2: God is not worthy of worship just because He’s God (Oct. 21, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist, Part 3: The Gift of Hell (Oct. 23, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist, Interlude: On Reading the Bible and Moral Coherence (Oct. 24, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist, Part 4: Moral Luck (Oct. 25, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist, Interlude: A Reading of Romans 9-11 (Oct. 25, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist, Interlude: A Comment on the Disjoint Between a Continuous Soteriology and a Binary Eschatology (Oct. 27, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist, Part 5: Salvation in a Post-Cartesian World (Oct. 28, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist, Interlude: A Reading of I Corinthians 15 (Oct. 30, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist, Part 6: Thanatocentrism and the Fetish of the Thin Red Line (Oct. 31, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist, Comment: A Soteriology for All Possible Worlds (Nov. 1, 2006)
- Why I am a Universalist: Summing Up and Some Links (Nov. 2, 2006)
- Hans Urs von Balthasar: dare we hope? (Jan. 20, 2006)
- Why I am not a universalist (June 23, 2006)
- And yes, there is a hell... (July 11, 2006)
- “The Problem with Universalism?” (May 27, 2006)
- Hoping that Universalism Is / Will Be True (June 6, 2006)
- Underground Universalism (June 8, 2006)
- The Evangelical Universalist and “the ethos in some evangelical circles” (June 30, 2006)
- Help with a Kierkegaard Quotation? (July 6, 2006)
- Kierkegaard’s Own Words (July 12, 2006)
- Follow-Up to “Hoping that Universalism Is / Will Be True” (July 24, 2006)
- An Interview with The Evangelical Universalist (Oct. 25, 2006)
- “Heretics” on Public Radio (Nov. 17, 2006)
- Gregory MacDonald, “Can an Evangelical be a Universalist?” (Nov. 21, 2006)
- Universalism (May 18, 2006)
- The Evangelical Universalist (July 15, 2006)
- Universalism (index of posts)
- I heard a rumour ... (Mar. 7, 2004)
- Versions of universalism (Mar. 27, 2004)
- The horror of God’s unrestrained love? (Feb. 20, 2005)
- These Christians should bow before Confucius (Mar. 2, 2005)
- Universalism and the atonement (Mar. 4, 2005)
- Universalism and the atonement 2 - more questions (Mar. 8, 2005)
- Universalism and the atonement 3 - the unreached (April 1, 2005)
- Universalistic prayer (May 7, 2005)
- Universalism’s proof-texts (May 12, 2005)
- Universalism, Scott McKnight and protestant purgatory (May 19, 2005)
- Why do we hope? (May 20, 2005)
- Howard Marshall refutes universalism's proof-texts (apparently!) (June 13, 2005)
- Response to Howard Marshall (Universalism) (Nov. 21, 2005)
- Why evangelise if there's hope for non-Christians? (March 20, 2006)
- Hell has never been a fashionable destination! (May 9, 2006)
- Interview with Gregory MacDonald, part 1 (Oct. 24, 2006)
- Interview with Gregory MacDonald, part 2 (Nov. 8, 2006)
- Interview with Gregory MacDonald, part 3 (Nov. 25, 2006)
- A Heretic’s Guide to Eternity: A Review (Jan. 9, 2007)
- How will every knee bow? (April 28, 2007)
- McLaren on Hell, finally! (May 11, 2007)
- Radical inclusivism - not by way of an introduction (May 17, 2007)
- A Case for Universalism? (March 27, 2006)
- The Case for Universalism (May 15, 2006)
- Musing Universalism (May 18, 2006)
- The Challenge of Universalism (May 20, 2006)
- McLaren on Universalism (May 20, 2006)
- Biblical Universalism: An Introduction (May 21, 2006)
- Biblical Universalism Part One: Romans (May 23, 2006)
- The Evangelical Universalist (July 21, 2006)
- Barth on universalism as hope and prayer (July 12, 2006)
- On Divine Vengeance (July 24, 2007)
- Baudrillard and Christian Universalism: Freedom, Choice, Liberation, Martyrdom (Aug. 4, 2007)
- Is Universalism the Next Big Thing? (July 3, 2007)
- The Anonymous Universalist (July 23, 2007)
- Interrogating Talbott’s Universalism (July 25, 2007)
- The Liberal Annihilationist, part 7: Universalist texts (Sept. 30, 2006)
- The Liberal Annihilationist: Summary (Sept. 30, 2006)
- Universalism: Some Introductory Remarks (May 22, 2006)
- Universalism - Some Hermeneutic Concerns (May 23, 2006)
- Universalism: God's Justice and Mercy (May 24, 2006)
- True Freedom? The Question of Universalism (May 25, 2006)
- Universalism and Recapitulation - A Take on Dali (May 26, 2006)
- The Cutting Edge of Grace - Some (semi) Final Thoughts on Universalism (May 26, 2006)
- Keith DeRose's page - “Universalism and the Bible” (pro)
- The Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry page - Universalism (contra)
- Debate between Tom Talbott and Eric Landstrom
- Christian Universalism.com
- Christian Universalism Articles
- Every Knee Shall Bow: The Case for Christian Universalism by Thomas Allin and Mark T. Chamberlain
- Hope Beyond Hell by Gerard Beauchemin
- The One Purpose of God by Jan Bonda
- Universalism and the Doctrine of Hell: Papers Presented at the Fourth Edinburgh Conference in Christian Dogmatics, 1991 by Nigel M. De S. Cameron
- Destined for Salvation: God’s Promise to Save Everyone by Kalen K. Fristad
- What Does the Bible Really Say About Hell?: Wrestling With the Traditional View (Living Issues Discussion Series) by Randolph J. Klassen
- The Evangelical Universalist by Gregory MacDonald (pseudonym)
- Universal Salvation?: The Current Debate by Robin A. Parry and Christopher H. Partridge
- The Inescapable Love of God by Thomas Talbott
- God Does Not Foreclose: The Universal Promise of Salvation by David Lowes Watson
Comments
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This is a view that Jesus died for all out of love, but love was not the reason God predestined some to believe. God's main goal was to create free human beings, period. Out of love, he died on the cross for their sins. But all rejected the offer of redemption, so having done all he could out of love without violating free will, he elected some for his own purpose. Since he didn't predestine out of love, he was free to override the free will of the elect.
Why does this seem more biblical than universalism? First, it affirms that God loves everyone and died for all. Second, it acknowledges the role of free will in accepting the gift of salvation. Third, it recognises that only the elect will be saved. Fourth, it upholds God's impartiality, because he offered salvation to all, and was no longer bound by an obligation to be impartial after all rejected the offer (e.g. if no one wants my money, I'm free to do whatever I want with it). However, he did elect all kinds of people, so in that sense, was impartial. Fifth, it affirms that hell is the final destination of the unsaved (but the biblical evidence suggests that this is destruction, not eternal torment). Sixth, it concludes that God is ultimately not frustrated, because he succeeded in his main goal, to create free human beings who can choose their own destiny. He also succeeded in reversing the Fall, through the elect who will populate the New Creation.
It may be argued that it doesn't make sense for God to create free human beings when he knew they would all reject him. But if his main goal was the existence of free (rather than obedient) human beings, then it makes sense that he was willing to tolerate the bad choices they made (and paid for those bad choices on the cross). An apt analogy would be the parent who has to tolerate the bad choices his children make, because he wanted to 'create' free human individuals. This modified Amyraldism is just a hypothesis right now, it would be nice if some of you (esp. theologically qualified people) could weigh in on it. Thx.
There are some major problems with the view you have put forward. I don't have time to go into them all, but here are the ones that stand out to me:
(1) This view perpetuates the problem that Barth saw with the entire Protestant tradition, which separated the divine act of election from Jesus Christ. In other words, this position makes election an arbitrary, absolute decree with no perceivable relation to the being of God as revealed in Jesus Christ alone.
(2) God created human beings for obedience, not for libertarian freedom. You will not find modern freedom in the Bible; you will find, instead, statements like that of Paul, who speaks of believers as "slaves of righteousness." Abstract libertarian freedom is basically the "freedom" of sin; and that is no freedom at all. The only true freedom is that found in obedience to God. Not Yes or No, but always Yes.
(3) The very notion that God was at one time or could ever have been "bound to an obligation" is absolutely forbidden. That would be tantamount to saying there is something outside of God to which God is bound. God is wholly free and the Lord over all things. To speak then of God being bound to some other obligation will not do.
(4) Moreover, to apply terms like partiality and impartiality to God is to improperly anthropomorphize God. The notion of impartiality is again like the notion of abstract libertarian freedom; it just doesn't exist -- at least not in the Bible and not for theology.
(5) Perhaps most distressing is in the way this view characterizes the "goal" of God. You simply speak of creation and the election of a few people. This is perhaps the most unbiblical part of your proposal. The telos that I see is one in which both all humanity (Col. 1, 2 Cor. 5) and the entire creation (Rev. 21) is reconciled to God. The purpose of God is not simply to "reverse the Fall" for a few people; it is to bring humanity into a harmonious relation to its Creator. Moreover, if you are really serious about emphasizing the reverse of the Fall, then you have to take Paul seriously in Romans, when he speaks of Christ as the Second Adam. This would keep you from making the mistake of viewing some abstract event of election as the reverse of the Fall. Instead, the person of Jesus is where the Fall is reversed, and thus it is reversed for all people.
More should be said, but I have seminary obligations at the moment. I look forward to hearing how your views progress.
You may be interested to know that a new ecumenical organization has recently been started to promote Christian Universalism, uniting people and churches from a wide diversity of denominations in the belief that God loves and will save everyone. The Christian Universalist Association includes Evangelicals, Pentecostals/Charismatics, Mainline Protestants, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Unitarian Universalist Christians, non-denominational Christians and more! Check out our website: www.christianuniversalist.org
Divine blessings,
Eric Stetson
Executive Director,
The Christian Universalist Association
"All God's children, no one left behind."